[seedig] Politics - off topic

[Narine Khachatryan]

Dear all and List Admin,

To improve a situation with SEEDIG towards healthier environment, first of
all, someone should admit that disinformation was spread during elections,
voters were provided misleading information about candidates.

Then suggest and make an Amendments in ToR for such cases. Those Amendments
will guarantee that a future candidate would be able to file a grounded
complaint based on ToR.

Only after that, we can tackle so complicated things, as politics, being
"absent" or present.

Lastly, let everyone on this list have his or her own free mind and free
conscience to decide whether politics or misbehavior is present or absent.
Every person has his/her freedom of thought to decide it. No need for List
Admin dictate.

Best regards, Narine


On Fri, 19 Mar 2021, 16:33 Dušan Stojičević, <dusan at dukes.in.rs> wrote:

> Dear exe com, all,
>
>
>
> Regarding repeated push of politics as a topic on this list> this gave me
> idea to suggest to you something useful.
>
> As we are all members of many organizations, initiatives, groups, task
> forces… we all know that when they are temporary, there is no such firm,
> written rules.
>
> But, when the group or initiative grows and become 7 years old, there is a
> need for certain written rules for future years and growing number of
> members.
>
> My opinion is that this is a situation with SEEDIG, and there should be
> some formal procedures in order to proceed working in healthy environment.
>
> I suggest to you to check this document from Universal Acceptance Steering
> Group where I was vice-chair until recently -
> https://uasg.tech/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/UA-Expected-Standards-of-Behavior.pdf
>
>
>
> It is now obvious that we need such document, or maybe we need something
> stronger, like Terms and conditions for using emailing list. I will leave
> this suggestion to you to decide.
>
>
>
> As I well explained in my previous mail, all political discussions on this
> list are OFF TOPIC.
>
> So I will repeat once again: *if you want to talk about politics, wars
> and similar, please, choose some other list, not this one.*
>
> Also, use your energy wisely, as Haris said, and contribute to many
> projects in SEEDIG, like SEEsummary.
>
>
>
> Thanks for understanding,
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dusan
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Charalampos Kyritsis [mailto:haris.kiritsis at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 19. март 2021. 13:25
> *To:* Narine Khachatryan <ms.narine.khachatryan at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* Dušan Stojičević <dusan at dukes.in.rs>; Seedig <seedig at rnids.rs>
> *Subject:* Re: [seedig] Politics - off topic
>
>
>
> Dear Narine,
>
> The SEEsumary is produced every month by an editorial team that works on a
> voluntary basis. If you feel something is related to internet governance
> and has to be in the next seesummary (or you feel something is missing) you
> can report it to the editorial team ( editors[at]seedig[dot]net ), or you
> can sign up to be part of editorial team so you can contribute directly and
> empower this amazing action.
>
> I also quote the editorial note that is in the footer of the seesummary:
>
>  The SEEsummary is produced on a best effort basis, by our team of
> volunteer editors and contributors. Each month, the editors scan local and
> regional media, as well as websites of public institutions and other
> organisations, and compile what they find to be some of the most
> significant digital policy developments.
> The SEEsummary does not claim to be a comprehensive source of information.
> Despite our efforts, we may miss some things happening across the region.
> To help us cover as many significant developments as possible, we invite
> you to share with us news from your countries.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Charalampos
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 1:51 PM Narine Khachatryan via seedig <
> seedig at lists.rnids.rs> wrote:
>
> Dear list admin,
>
>
>
> One more comment, as I have not previously noticed your text in bold about
> politics being absent from the IG world.
>
>
>
> I don't think politics has been absent from SEE IG for 2 reasons.
>
>
>
> First reason.
>
>
>
> I have read nearly all SEE Newsletters from September till today and I
> have not found even one story about numerous cyber attacks on Armenian
> Internet users and Armenian websites, performed by hackers and troll
> factories of neighbouring country(ies).
>
>
>
> I have not seen even one report from September till today about huge data
> theft and data leaks from Armenia during and after the war.
>
>
>
> I have not read even one report from September till today about Facebook
> ban of troll factories in neighboring countries, targeting Armenian users,
> which was widely reported by international media.
>
>
>
> I have not read even one report from September till today about flood of
> information attacks on Armenians (hate speech, glorification of murder and
> crime, etc), performed with the usage of technology and the Internet.
>
>
>
> Therefore, I leave it to you to interpreat your own statement about
> politics "being absent from SEE IG" and to find yourself the hidden reasons
> behind both your statement and the biased reporting of your newsletter.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Narine
>
>
> On Thu, 18 Mar 2021, 19:53 Narine Khachatryan, <
> ms.narine.khachatryan at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Greetings everyone,
>
> I would like to thank the people who voted for me. I do not know your
> names, but very much grateful for your trust and value your votes
> particularly highly, because I consider them given not just to me, but my
> country, Armenia.
>
> Armenia is suffering too much now, not being recovered from a war imposed
> by neighboring dictatorships to satisfy ambitions of some and thirst for
> money and power of others.
>
> You at SEEDIG perhaps have read international media accounts about the
> blood-thirsty dictators who sent terrorists to cleanse our people from
> their homes and homeland, dreaming of ultimately destroying our statehood.
> In that context not having a seat in the SEEDIG Exe Comm seems a very
> terrible signal to me, personally.
>
> Secondly, I find it important to inform the list about grounded doubts in
> the accuracy of the election process. As during the voting period voters
> (who do not know me personally) have been misinformed about my affiliation:
> 'Name and Organisation' fields of the SEEDIG website displayed 'Narine
> Khachatryan, Serbian Human Rights Defending Office', which is a pure
> disinformation of voters. I was born in Armenia, live and work in Armenia,
> never have worked in the human rights field of Serbia.  Therefore, I cannot
> agree that the process is accurate, objective, even if misleading
> information was spread unintentionally (as I was told).
>
> There have been other errors and mistakes too: in emails, in the Election
> Calendar, mismatch between information provided by Election Committee
> emails and the SEEDIG website, in dates, etc. My request and complaint to
> the Election Committee is to make an amendment in the ToR for such
> cases, described above. For the future.
>
> For now my deep gratitude to people who voted for Armenia. For her now the
> word 'S' stands not for success, it stands for suppression, surrender and
> suffering.  Suffering. Hope for SEEDIG, 'S' will never stay for stupidity.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Narine
> p.s. Ucha, thank you for taking that role.
>
>
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