[seedig] Politics - off topic?

[Narine Khachatryan]

Dear Danko,

Thank you very much for your response. Let's hope this issue will be
resolved, and we wouldn't need further discussions or interventions, and no
one would feel silenced or tricked.

If we do not adhere to objectivity and impartiality, we will lose the last
particles of freedom. Unfortunately, we are too much now taking the
authoritarian paths...I truly believe (hope, that Olga and
other SEEDIGers think the same way) that no matter you are as big and
trustworthy as The Guardian
<https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/apr/13/facebook-azerbaijan-ilham-aliyev>,
or you are a small Newsletter -  readers expect quality, or high standards
journalism. I don't think the *journalism* word should be put in quotation
marks, similarly as we do not cast a shadow of a doubt on concepts of
*democracy*, *impartiality* or *objectivity.*

Best regards,
Narine

On Wed, Apr 21, 2021 at 9:27 PM Danko Jevtović <danko at jevtovic.rs> wrote:

> Dear Narine,
>
>
>
> Thank you for your pointing out the SEEDIg principles; I value them
> highly. I know about SEEDIG from the beginning; in fact, I organised the
> 2nd meeting in Belgrade.
>
>
>
> I think that I can understand your passion for bringing an important
> subject of using the Internet in political fights in the region. I am
> coming from a country that broke-up in a civil war, and as a result,
> everyone here also suffered from unfairness in reporting.
>
>
>
> I don't have anything against you pointing out an interesting article in
> the UK newspaper. We all, from time to time, share relevant info with the
> community. The work on SEE newsletter is voluntary – anyone is free to help
> the team to provide us with a better publication.
>
>
>
> I only pointed out that the discussion moved from facts and information to
> a personal level. I see you deleted that part in quoting. Thank you for
> helping me express this more clearly; I hope that I will be able to refrain
> from further interventions.
>
>
>
> Danko
>
>
>
> *From:* Narine Khachatryan <ms.narine.khachatryan at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 21, 2021 7:11 PM
> *To:* Danko Jevtović <danko at jevtovic.rs>; info at safe.am
> *Subject:* Re: [seedig] Politics - off topic?
>
>
>
> Dear Danko,
>
>
>
> I do not know you personally, neither you know me...I have been involved
> in SEEDIG perhaps longer (since its formation), and whenever an email has
> been sent to SEEDIG ExeComm or to any other SEEDIG representative, we have
> been been told *'email would not be answered unless they are sent to the
> SEEDIG mailing list '* (public mailing list).  Even when they touch
> sensitive issues .You can go to the SEEDIG archive and find those
> discussions. Alternatively, I can forward those emails to you.
>
>
>
> My only recent request has been to include some news, published by a
> respectable international media outlet, such as The Guardian, in the SEE
> Newsletter, which is not only very interesting, but also highly relevant to
> the community engaged in Internet Governance.
>
>
>
> If there is no political agenda, no bias, if impartiality is respected and
> balance is kept by the SEE Newsletter, then it is not a problem to refer to
> that interesting story of Guardian
> <https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/apr/13/facebook-azerbaijan-ilham-aliyev>.
>
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
> Narine
>
>
>
>  On Wed, Apr 21, 2021 at 8:21 PM Danko Jevtović <danko at jevtovic.rs> wrote:
>
>> Sorry, but do we really need this kind of discussion on the SEE list?
>>
>>
>>
>> Danko
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* seedig <seedig-bounces at lists.rnids.rs> *On Behalf Of *Narine
>> Khachatryan via seedig
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 21, 2021 5:48 PM
>> *To:* Su Sonia Herring <s.sonia.h at gmail.com>
>> *Cc:* SEEDIG list <seedig at rnids.rs>; editors at seedig.net
>> *Subject:* Re: [seedig] Politics - off topic?
>>
>>
>>
>>  Hi Sonia, quick question:
>>
>> I am quoting your email, where in your email you see "my" offer? Please
>> let everyone know.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Narine,
>>
>>
>>
>> I've been a part of the editorial team of the SEESummary for quite a
>> while until I couldn't make time for it due to other obligations but I can
>> say it was a great experience to report from my own country and the entire
>> region. Why don't you consider being part of the editorial team and
>> contribute to the diversity of the reporting and team?
>>
>>
>>
>> Have a great weekend,
>>
>> Sonia
>>
>> Su Sonia Herring
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 21 Apr 2021, 19:09 Su Sonia Herring, <s.sonia.h at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Quick note: SEESummary does not and never has claimed to provide “quality
>> journalism”. Our editors are not journalists and we have never claimed to
>> be. It is an entirely volunteer initiative which puts together updates from
>> our region with the intention of impartiality with a diverse team.
>>
>>
>>
>> Personally, I don’t think even most professional news outlets provide
>> quality journalism these days.
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyway, maybe it would be best that we are on the same page about this
>> before discussing any cooperation. Also I think I misunderstood your offer
>> Narine, I thought the hub would be featuring SEESummary so sorry for the
>> confusion :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Sonia
>>
>>
>>
>> On 21 Apr 2021 Wed at 10:46 Narine Khachatryan <
>> ms.narine.khachatryan at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Olga,
>>
>>
>>
>> Good to hear from you and hope this finds you well and safe.
>>
>>
>>
>> The Guardian report
>> <https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/apr/13/facebook-azerbaijan-ilham-aliyev>
>> is a journalistic investigation, which goes under *News Rubric* of
>> Guardian, not opinion.
>>
>> Because it is a journalistic investigation, you will not be able to find
>> a similar report, unless it is plagiarism.  Investigations are *a-priori
>> exclusive* reports, ABC of journalism says. But other media outlets can
>> write *about* the same investigation, if the investigation is important
>> to the public, like in this case investigated by Sophie Zhang
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophie_Zhang_(whistleblower)>.
>>
>>
>>
>> This Guardian report comprises of a series of articles, the first of
>> which was approached by  FB
>> <https://about.fb.com/news/2020/10/removing-coordinated-inauthentic-behavior-september-report/>
>>  :
>>
>>
>> https://about.fb.com/news/2020/10/removing-coordinated-inauthentic-behavior-september-report/
>>
>>
>>
>> Other publications too reported about the investigation (when first
>> article was released in autumn):
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>> https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/craigsilverman/facebook-ignore-political-manipulation-whistleblower-memo
>>
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>> https://www.techtimes.com/articles/252536/20200914/facebooks-ex-data-scientist-leaks-memo-massive-scandal-allowed-government-maniulation.htm
>>
>> https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-54161344
>>
>>
>>
>> Why has the news missed the attention of the Seedig Newsletter?
>>
>>
>>
>> iGovernance Hub can share news with the SEE Editorial, if you find there
>> is a mutual interest we would be glad too. Thank you, Sonia for the
>> proposal. But we should think, how and which format we cooperate. We may
>> have a different understanding of what quality journalism is.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Narine
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 11:25 PM Olga Kyryliuk <olga_kyryliuk at ukr.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Narine,
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you for sharing the news with us. However, it largely looks like an
>> opinion piece, while in the SEEsummary we are trying to stay neutral and
>> not take any particular sides but report on the facts. If there are any
>> other sources that prove the same opinion or challenge it, then we could
>> make a comparative analysis.
>>
>>
>>
>> As to Sonia's suggestion about joining the editorial team, we are always
>> open for new people to join if they are ready to dedicate time and efforts
>> on a monthly basis. It is not always the case that editors cover their own
>> countries. Especially that we have more countries than editors, so everyone
>> is in charge of a few countries. This is why if you are willing to report
>> on countries other than Armenia, you are more than welcome.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Olga
>>
>>
>>
>> *17 апреля 2021, 14:02:40, от "Su Sonia Herring" <**s.sonia.h at gmail.com
>> <s.sonia.h at gmail.com>**>:*
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for the suggestion Narine! I think that would be good, let's see
>> what the others in the editorial team (particularly Olga and Haris) think
>> about this. I've removed the SEEDIG list, don't want to blow up everyone's
>> inboxes :)
>>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Sonia
>>
>>
>>
>> Su Sonia Herring
>>
>>
>>
>> YouTube <http://youtube.com/c/SoniaHerring> | LinkedIn
>> <http://linkedin.com/in/suherring> | Twitter
>> <https://twitter.com/susotti>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 17, 2021 at 12:37 PM Narine Khachatryan <
>> ms.narine.khachatryan at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Sonia,
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks, for feedback. I see people from our country among the SEE
>> Editorial team members, which means the diversity principle is respected.
>>
>> From another standpoint, if SEEDIG wishes to publish some materials from
>> <https://www.facebook.com/groups/ighub>iGovernance Hub
>> <https://www.facebook.com/groups/ighub>, me (or some other colleague)
>> would be ready for cooperation.
>>
>>  Best regards,
>>
>>  Narine
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 17 Apr 2021, 13:56 Su Sonia Herring, <s.sonia.h at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Narine,
>>
>>
>>
>> I've been a part of the editorial team of the SEESummary for quite a
>> while until I couldn't make time for it due to other obligations but I can
>> say it was a great experience to report from my own country and the entire
>> region. Why don't you consider being part of the editorial team and
>> contribute to the diversity of the reporting and team?
>>
>>
>>
>> Have a great weekend,
>>
>> Sonia
>>
>> Su Sonia Herring
>>
>>
>>
>> YouTube <http://youtube.com/c/SoniaHerring> | LinkedIn
>> <http://linkedin.com/in/suherring> | Twitter
>> <https://twitter.com/susotti>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 17, 2021 at 9:57 AM Narine Khachatryan via seedig <
>> seedig at lists.rnids.rs> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Charalampos,
>>
>> Following your invitation to send Internet governance related material
>> for SEE Newsletter, please see the recent in-depth report
>> <https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/apr/13/facebook-azerbaijan-ilham-aliyev> of
>> The Guardian regarding Internet troll factories of authoritarian dictators.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 4:25 PM Charalampos Kyritsis <
>> haris.kiritsis at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Narine,
>>
>> The SEEsumary is produced every month by an editorial team that works on
>> a voluntary basis. If you feel something is related to internet governance
>> and has to be in the next seesummary (or you feel something is missing) you
>> can report it to the editorial team ( editors[at]seedig[dot]net ), or you
>> can sign up to be part of editorial team so you can contribute directly and
>> empower this amazing action.
>>
>> I also quote the editorial note that is in the footer of the seesummary:
>>
>>  The SEEsummary is produced on a best effort basis, by our team of
>> volunteer editors and contributors. Each month, the editors scan local and
>> regional media, as well as websites of public institutions and other
>> organisations, and compile what they find to be some of the most
>> significant digital policy developments.
>> The SEEsummary does not claim to be a comprehensive source of
>> information. Despite our efforts, we may miss some things happening across
>> the region. To help us cover as many significant developments as possible,
>> we invite you to share with us news from your countries.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Charalampos
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 1:51 PM Narine Khachatryan via seedig <
>> seedig at lists.rnids.rs> wrote:
>>
>> Dear list admin,
>>
>>
>>
>> One more comment, as I have not previously noticed your text in bold
>> about politics being absent from the IG world.
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't think politics has been absent from SEE IG for 2 reasons.
>>
>>
>>
>> First reason.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have read nearly all SEE Newsletters from September till today and I
>> have not found even one story about numerous cyber attacks on Armenian
>> Internet users and Armenian websites, performed by hackers and troll
>> factories of neighbouring country(ies).
>>
>>
>>
>> I have not seen even one report from September till today about huge data
>> theft and data leaks from Armenia during and after the war.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have not read even one report from September till today about Facebook
>> ban of troll factories in neighboring countries, targeting Armenian users,
>> which was widely reported by international media.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have not read even one report from September till today about flood of
>> information attacks on Armenians (hate speech, glorification of murder and
>> crime, etc), performed with the usage of technology and the Internet.
>>
>>
>>
>> Therefore, I leave it to you to interpreat your own statement about
>> politics "being absent from SEE IG" and to find yourself the hidden reasons
>> behind both your statement and the biased reporting of your newsletter.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Narine
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Charalampos Kyritsis
>>
>> Twitter: @HKyritsis <https://twitter.com/HKyritsis?s=09>
>>
>> LinkedIn: *Kyritsis Charalampos*
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/kyritsis-charalampos/>
>>
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