[seedig] Politics - off topic?

Wed Apr 21 18:27:42 CEST 2021

Hi Danko,

I absolutely agree with you which is why I had removed the main mailing
list from the discussion but someone must’ve added it back...

Let’s please keep this discussion to the interested parties: the editors
mailing list and Narine.

Thanks for the intervention Danko I appreciate it.

Best,
Sonia

On 21 Apr 2021 Wed at 19:21 Danko Jevtović <danko at jevtovic.rs> wrote:

> Sorry, but do we really need this kind of discussion on the SEE list?
>
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>
> Danko
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> *From:* seedig <seedig-bounces at lists.rnids.rs> *On Behalf Of *Narine
> Khachatryan via seedig
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 21, 2021 5:48 PM
> *To:* Su Sonia Herring <s.sonia.h at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* SEEDIG list <seedig at rnids.rs>; editors at seedig.net
> *Subject:* Re: [seedig] Politics - off topic?
>
>
>
> Hi Sonia, quick question:
>
> I am quoting your email, where in your email you see "my" offer? Please
> let everyone know.
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>
>
> Hi Narine,
>
>
>
> I've been a part of the editorial team of the SEESummary for quite a while
> until I couldn't make time for it due to other obligations but I can say it
> was a great experience to report from my own country and the entire region.
> Why don't you consider being part of the editorial team and contribute to
> the diversity of the reporting and team?
>
>
>
> Have a great weekend,
>
> Sonia
>
> Su Sonia Herring
>
>
>
> On Wed, 21 Apr 2021, 19:09 Su Sonia Herring, <s.sonia.h at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Quick note: SEESummary does not and never has claimed to provide “quality
> journalism”. Our editors are not journalists and we have never claimed to
> be. It is an entirely volunteer initiative which puts together updates from
> our region with the intention of impartiality with a diverse team.
>
>
>
> Personally, I don’t think even most professional news outlets provide
> quality journalism these days.
>
>
>
> Anyway, maybe it would be best that we are on the same page about this
> before discussing any cooperation. Also I think I misunderstood your offer
> Narine, I thought the hub would be featuring SEESummary so sorry for the
> confusion :)
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>
> Best,
>
> Sonia
>
>
>
> On 21 Apr 2021 Wed at 10:46 Narine Khachatryan <
> ms.narine.khachatryan at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Dear Olga,
>
>
>
> Good to hear from you and hope this finds you well and safe.
>
>
>
> The Guardian report
> <https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/apr/13/facebook-azerbaijan-ilham-aliyev>
> is a journalistic investigation, which goes under *News Rubric* of
> Guardian, not opinion.
>
> Because it is a journalistic investigation, you will not be able to find a
> similar report, unless it is plagiarism.  Investigations are *a-priori
> exclusive* reports, ABC of journalism says. But other media outlets can
> write *about* the same investigation, if the investigation is important
> to the public, like in this case investigated by Sophie Zhang
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophie_Zhang_(whistleblower)>.
>
>
>
> This Guardian report comprises of a series of articles, the first of which
> was approached by  FB
> <https://about.fb.com/news/2020/10/removing-coordinated-inauthentic-behavior-september-report/>
>  :
>
>
> https://about.fb.com/news/2020/10/removing-coordinated-inauthentic-behavior-september-report/
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>
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> Other publications too reported about the investigation (when first
> article was released in autumn):
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> https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/craigsilverman/facebook-ignore-political-manipulation-whistleblower-memo
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> https://www.techtimes.com/articles/252536/20200914/facebooks-ex-data-scientist-leaks-memo-massive-scandal-allowed-government-maniulation.htm
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> https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-54161344
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> Why has the news missed the attention of the Seedig Newsletter?
>
>
>
> iGovernance Hub can share news with the SEE Editorial, if you find there
> is a mutual interest we would be glad too. Thank you, Sonia for the
> proposal. But we should think, how and which format we cooperate. We may
> have a different understanding of what quality journalism is.
>
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Narine
>
>
>
>
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> On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 11:25 PM Olga Kyryliuk <olga_kyryliuk at ukr.net>
> wrote:
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> Dear Narine,
>
>
>
> Thank you for sharing the news with us. However, it largely looks like an
> opinion piece, while in the SEEsummary we are trying to stay neutral and
> not take any particular sides but report on the facts. If there are any
> other sources that prove the same opinion or challenge it, then we could
> make a comparative analysis.
>
>
>
> As to Sonia's suggestion about joining the editorial team, we are always
> open for new people to join if they are ready to dedicate time and efforts
> on a monthly basis. It is not always the case that editors cover their own
> countries. Especially that we have more countries than editors, so everyone
> is in charge of a few countries. This is why if you are willing to report
> on countries other than Armenia, you are more than welcome.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Olga
>
>
>
> *17 апреля 2021, 14:02:40, от "Su Sonia Herring" <**s.sonia.h at gmail.com
> <s.sonia.h at gmail.com>**>:*
>
>
>
> Thanks for the suggestion Narine! I think that would be good, let's see
> what the others in the editorial team (particularly Olga and Haris) think
> about this. I've removed the SEEDIG list, don't want to blow up everyone's
> inboxes :)
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Sonia
>
>
>
> Su Sonia Herring
>
>
>
> YouTube <http://youtube.com/c/SoniaHerring> | LinkedIn
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>
>
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> On Sat, Apr 17, 2021 at 12:37 PM Narine Khachatryan <
> ms.narine.khachatryan at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Hi Sonia,
>
>
>
> Thanks, for feedback. I see people from our country among the SEE Editorial
> team members, which means the diversity principle is respected.
>
>
>
> From another standpoint, if SEEDIG wishes to publish some materials from
> <https://www.facebook.com/groups/ighub>iGovernance Hub
> <https://www.facebook.com/groups/ighub>, me (or some other colleague)
> would be ready for cooperation.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
> Narine
>
>
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> On Sat, 17 Apr 2021, 13:56 Su Sonia Herring, <s.sonia.h at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Narine,
>
>
>
> I've been a part of the editorial team of the SEESummary for quite a while
> until I couldn't make time for it due to other obligations but I can say it
> was a great experience to report from my own country and the entire region.
> Why don't you consider being part of the editorial team and contribute to
> the diversity of the reporting and team?
>
>
>
> Have a great weekend,
>
> Sonia
>
> Su Sonia Herring
>
>
>
> YouTube <http://youtube.com/c/SoniaHerring> | LinkedIn
> <http://linkedin.com/in/suherring> | Twitter <https://twitter.com/susotti>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 17, 2021 at 9:57 AM Narine Khachatryan via seedig <
> seedig at lists.rnids.rs> wrote:
>
> Dear Charalampos,
>
> Following your invitation to send Internet governance related material for
> SEE Newsletter, please see the recent in-depth report
> <https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/apr/13/facebook-azerbaijan-ilham-aliyev> of
> The Guardian regarding Internet troll factories of authoritarian dictators.
>
> Best regards,
>
> On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 4:25 PM Charalampos Kyritsis <
> haris.kiritsis at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Narine,
>
> The SEEsumary is produced every month by an editorial team that works on a
> voluntary basis. If you feel something is related to internet governance
> and has to be in the next seesummary (or you feel something is missing) you
> can report it to the editorial team ( editors[at]seedig[dot]net ), or you
> can sign up to be part of editorial team so you can contribute directly and
> empower this amazing action.
>
> I also quote the editorial note that is in the footer of the seesummary:
>
>  The SEEsummary is produced on a best effort basis, by our team of
> volunteer editors and contributors. Each month, the editors scan local and
> regional media, as well as websites of public institutions and other
> organisations, and compile what they find to be some of the most
> significant digital policy developments.
> The SEEsummary does not claim to be a comprehensive source of information.
> Despite our efforts, we may miss some things happening across the region.
> To help us cover as many significant developments as possible, we invite
> you to share with us news from your countries.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Charalampos
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 1:51 PM Narine Khachatryan via seedig <
> seedig at lists.rnids.rs> wrote:
>
> Dear list admin,
>
>
>
> One more comment, as I have not previously noticed your text in bold about
> politics being absent from the IG world.
>
>
>
> I don't think politics has been absent from SEE IG for 2 reasons.
>
>
>
> First reason.
>
>
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> I have read nearly all SEE Newsletters from September till today and I
> have not found even one story about numerous cyber attacks on Armenian
> Internet users and Armenian websites, performed by hackers and troll
> factories of neighbouring country(ies).
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>
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> I have not seen even one report from September till today about huge data
> theft and data leaks from Armenia during and after the war.
>
>
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> I have not read even one report from September till today about Facebook
> ban of troll factories in neighboring countries, targeting Armenian users,
> which was widely reported by international media.
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> I have not read even one report from September till today about flood of
> information attacks on Armenians (hate speech, glorification of murder and
> crime, etc), performed with the usage of technology and the Internet.
>
>
>
> Therefore, I leave it to you to interpreat your own statement about
> politics "being absent from SEE IG" and to find yourself the hidden reasons
> behind both your statement and the biased reporting of your newsletter.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Narine
>
>
>
> On Thu, 18 Mar 2021, 22:56 Dušan Stojičević, <dusan at dukes.in.rs> wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
>
>
> There are good Armenians, and bad Armenians, same as good Azerbaijani and
> bad Azerbaijani people. Same as good Serbs, and bad Serbs… same for any
> other nation in SEE.
>
> During this election process, we were voting for persons, not for the
> countries or nations. It was not a criteria in the ToR.
> SEEDIG is a place without politics, and we equally accept both – Armenians
> and Azerbaijani people.
>
> SEEDIG is a place where we discuss IG, not wars, not politics. Maybe,
> sometimes, we can mention Putin, Biden, Sorina or Trump, for the sake of
> joke.
>
> And why we are not discussing politics is well explained in UN resolution
> for IGF.
>
>
> Therefore...
>
> *SEEDIG list is not a place for discussing wars, politics, dictators,
> their desires and whatever similar. All of this is off topic. *
>
> *If you still want to continue to talk off topic, please, use some other
> mailing list, not this one.*
>
>
>
> For mistakes in election process, I believe there was 7 days for
> complaints. No one complained. Election process is over.
>
> We are learning from mistakes and we are constantly developing further to
> be better. No one is perfect.
>
> But politics never have any role in the election process.
>
>
>
> Thank you for understanding.
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>
> Cheers,
>
> Dusan
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