[seedig] Politics - off topic?

Wed Apr 21 18:21:28 CEST 2021

Sorry, but do we really need this kind of discussion on the SEE list?

Danko

From: seedig <seedig-bounces at lists.rnids.rs> On Behalf Of Narine Khachatryan via seedig
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2021 5:48 PM
To: Su Sonia Herring <s.sonia.h at gmail.com>
Cc: SEEDIG list <seedig at rnids.rs>; editors at seedig.net
Subject: Re: [seedig] Politics - off topic?

Hi Sonia, quick question: 

I am quoting your email, where in your email you see "my" offer? Please let everyone know.

Hi Narine,

I've been a part of the editorial team of the SEESummary for quite a while until I couldn't make time for it due to other obligations but I can say it was a great experience to report from my own country and the entire region. Why don't you consider being part of the editorial team and contribute to the diversity of the reporting and team?

Have a great weekend,

Sonia

Su Sonia Herring

On Wed, 21 Apr 2021, 19:09 Su Sonia Herring, <s.sonia.h at gmail.com <mailto:s.sonia.h at gmail.com> > wrote:

Quick note: SEESummary does not and never has claimed to provide “quality journalism”. Our editors are not journalists and we have never claimed to be. It is an entirely volunteer initiative which puts together updates from our region with the intention of impartiality with a diverse team. 

Personally, I don’t think even most professional news outlets provide quality journalism these days. 

Anyway, maybe it would be best that we are on the same page about this before discussing any cooperation. Also I think I misunderstood your offer Narine, I thought the hub would be featuring SEESummary so sorry for the confusion :)

Best,

Sonia

On 21 Apr 2021 Wed at 10:46 Narine Khachatryan <ms.narine.khachatryan at gmail.com <mailto:ms.narine.khachatryan at gmail.com> > wrote:

Dear Olga, 

Good to hear from you and hope this finds you well and safe.  

The Guardian report <https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/apr/13/facebook-azerbaijan-ilham-aliyev>  is a journalistic investigation, which goes under News Rubric of Guardian, not opinion. 

Because it is a journalistic investigation, you will not be able to find a similar report, unless it is plagiarism.  Investigations are a-priori exclusive reports, ABC of journalism says. But other media outlets can write about the same investigation, if the investigation is important to the public, like in this case investigated by Sophie Zhang <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophie_Zhang_(whistleblower)> . 

This Guardian report comprises of a series of articles, the first of which was approached by  <https://about.fb.com/news/2020/10/removing-coordinated-inauthentic-behavior-september-report/>  FB  : 

https://about.fb.com/news/2020/10/removing-coordinated-inauthentic-behavior-september-report/

Other publications too reported about the investigation (when first article was released in autumn): 

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/craigsilverman/facebook-ignore-political-manipulation-whistleblower-memo

https://www.techtimes.com/articles/252536/20200914/facebooks-ex-data-scientist-leaks-memo-massive-scandal-allowed-government-maniulation.htm

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-54161344

Why has the news missed the attention of the Seedig Newsletter?

iGovernance Hub can share news with the SEE Editorial, if you find there is a mutual interest we would be glad too. Thank you, Sonia for the proposal. But we should think, how and which format we cooperate. We may have a different understanding of what quality journalism is.   

Kind regards, 

Narine

On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 11:25 PM Olga Kyryliuk <olga_kyryliuk at ukr.net <mailto:olga_kyryliuk at ukr.net> > wrote:

Dear Narine,

Thank you for sharing the news with us. However, it largely looks like an opinion piece, while in the SEEsummary we are trying to stay neutral and not take any particular sides but report on the facts. If there are any other sources that prove the same opinion or challenge it, then we could make a comparative analysis.

As to Sonia's suggestion about joining the editorial team, we are always open for new people to join if they are ready to dedicate time and efforts on a monthly basis. It is not always the case that editors cover their own countries. Especially that we have more countries than editors, so everyone is in charge of a few countries. This is why if you are willing to report on countries other than Armenia, you are more than welcome.

Best,

Olga

17 апреля 2021, 14:02:40, от "Su Sonia Herring" < <mailto:s.sonia.h at gmail.com> s.sonia.h at gmail.com>:

Thanks for the suggestion Narine! I think that would be good, let's see what the others in the editorial team (particularly Olga and Haris) think about this. I've removed the SEEDIG list, don't want to blow up everyone's inboxes :)

Best,

Sonia

Su Sonia Herring

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On Sat, Apr 17, 2021 at 12:37 PM Narine Khachatryan <ms.narine.khachatryan at gmail.com <mailto:ms.narine.khachatryan at gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi Sonia, 

Thanks, for feedback. I see people from our country among the SEE Editorial team members, which means the diversity principle is respected. 

>From another standpoint, if SEEDIG wishes to publish some materials from  <https://www.facebook.com/groups/ighub> iGovernance Hub <https://www.facebook.com/groups/ighub> , me (or some other colleague) would be ready for cooperation. 

Best regards, 

Narine

On Sat, 17 Apr 2021, 13:56 Su Sonia Herring, <s.sonia.h at gmail.com <mailto:s.sonia.h at gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi Narine,

I've been a part of the editorial team of the SEESummary for quite a while until I couldn't make time for it due to other obligations but I can say it was a great experience to report from my own country and the entire region. Why don't you consider being part of the editorial team and contribute to the diversity of the reporting and team?

Have a great weekend,

Sonia

Su Sonia Herring

YouTube <http://youtube.com/c/SoniaHerring>  | LinkedIn <http://linkedin.com/in/suherring>  | Twitter <https://twitter.com/susotti> 

On Sat, Apr 17, 2021 at 9:57 AM Narine Khachatryan via seedig <seedig at lists.rnids.rs <mailto:seedig at lists.rnids.rs> > wrote:

Dear Charalampos, 

Following your invitation to send Internet governance related material for SEE Newsletter, please see the recent in-depth report <https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/apr/13/facebook-azerbaijan-ilham-aliyev>  of The Guardian regarding Internet troll factories of authoritarian dictators.

Best regards,

On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 4:25 PM Charalampos Kyritsis <haris.kiritsis at gmail.com <mailto:haris.kiritsis at gmail.com> > wrote:

Dear Narine, 

The SEEsumary is produced every month by an editorial team that works on a voluntary basis. If you feel something is related to internet governance and has to be in the next seesummary (or you feel something is missing) you can report it to the editorial team ( editors[at]seedig[dot]net ), or you can sign up to be part of editorial team so you can contribute directly and empower this amazing action. 

I also quote the editorial note that is in the footer of the seesummary:

 The SEEsummary is produced on a best effort basis, by our team of volunteer editors and contributors. Each month, the editors scan local and regional media, as well as websites of public institutions and other organisations, and compile what they find to be some of the most significant digital policy developments.
The SEEsummary does not claim to be a comprehensive source of information. Despite our efforts, we may miss some things happening across the region. To help us cover as many significant developments as possible, we invite you to share with us news from your countries.

Best,

Charalampos 

On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 1:51 PM Narine Khachatryan via seedig <seedig at lists.rnids.rs <mailto:seedig at lists.rnids.rs> > wrote:

Dear list admin, 

One more comment, as I have not previously noticed your text in bold about politics being absent from the IG world. 

I don't think politics has been absent from SEE IG for 2 reasons. 

First reason. 

I have read nearly all SEE Newsletters from September till today and I have not found even one story about numerous cyber attacks on Armenian Internet users and Armenian websites, performed by hackers and troll factories of neighbouring country(ies).

I have not seen even one report from September till today about huge data theft and data leaks from Armenia during and after the war. 

I have not read even one report from September till today about Facebook ban of troll factories in neighboring countries, targeting Armenian users, which was widely reported by international media. 

I have not read even one report from September till today about flood of information attacks on Armenians (hate speech, glorification of murder and crime, etc), performed with the usage of technology and the Internet.

Therefore, I leave it to you to interpreat your own statement about politics "being absent from SEE IG" and to find yourself the hidden reasons behind both your statement and the biased reporting of your newsletter. 

Regards,

Narine

On Thu, 18 Mar 2021, 22:56 Dušan Stojičević, <dusan at dukes.in.rs <mailto:dusan at dukes.in.rs> > wrote:

Dear all,

There are good Armenians, and bad Armenians, same as good Azerbaijani and bad Azerbaijani people. Same as good Serbs, and bad Serbs… same for any other nation in SEE.

During this election process, we were voting for persons, not for the countries or nations. It was not a criteria in the ToR.
SEEDIG is a place without politics, and we equally accept both – Armenians and Azerbaijani people.

SEEDIG is a place where we discuss IG, not wars, not politics. Maybe, sometimes, we can mention Putin, Biden, Sorina or Trump, for the sake of joke.

And why we are not discussing politics is well explained in UN resolution for IGF.

Therefore...

SEEDIG list is not a place for discussing wars, politics, dictators, their desires and whatever similar. All of this is off topic. 

If you still want to continue to talk off topic, please, use some other mailing list, not this one.

For mistakes in election process, I believe there was 7 days for complaints. No one complained. Election process is over.

We are learning from mistakes and we are constantly developing further to be better. No one is perfect.

But politics never have any role in the election process.

Thank you for understanding.

Cheers,

Dusan
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