[Icann-see] Web site seedig.net
Narine Khachatryan
ms.narine.khachatryan at gmail.com
Mon Jan 11 19:17:20 CET 2016
Dear all,
One more comment about the web site and its features.
It is good that the proposals having a "Continue Reading" Option, can be
commented by readers, or ''evaluators" with a 'Leave a Reply' option. At
the moment not all the proposals do have this feature.
If the community decides to keep the dislike buttion, it would be wise to
make the "Leave a Reply" option available for all the proposals. Perhaps,
those participants who dislike would wish to explain why, particularly, etc.
Regards,
Narine
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Narine Khachatryan
Safer Internet Armenia <http://www.safe.am/> Media Education Center
<http://www.mediaeducation.am/> Youth IGF - Armenia
<https://www.facebook.com/igf.armenia>
On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 7:54 PM, Dusan Stojicevic <dusan at dukes.in.rs> wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> Thanks, all your kudos for the site should go to the whole executive
> committee.
>
> Also, thanks for all your suggestions and opinions.
>
> I would like to answer to two of them, especially about dislikes.
>
> Some facts:
> During the "call for issues" we didn't ask anybody about going into
> public with personal data (as they were submitted together with the
> proposals). According to most of our laws on that subject, it would be
> tricky to publish the names of authors for proposals without prior
> consent (which we have not asked for). So, the executive committee made
> the consensual decision that proposals are to be published without names.
> On the other hand, when you have the proposal and the name of the
> proponent together, you almost naturally check WHO is the author. Even
> if you are not aware, you can ask yourself: do you like the proposal as
> such, or you like the proposal because of the person who proposed it?
> At SEEDIG, we discussed about this inside the executive committee, and,
> considering also the data protection issues underlined above, we
> considered that, at least in this phase of the planning process, we
> should talk only about the proposals itself (disregarding the authors).
> And here the dislike is coming naturally. Dislike (without using names,
> only proposals) is rather common in our region. It can be considered as
> part of our culture. And it's not natural for us, in real life, never to
> say ‘I don't like this’, only ignore. Leaving aside any cultural
> difference, to dislike something is not necessarily a bad or
> discouraging thing, especially when you don’t have the name of the
> proponent publicly displayed. And in this part of the world, when we
> have to make decision, we often say: "say now what you think or don't
> speak about that, ever". In our specific case, ‘dislike’ is mainly meant
> to say that ‘I don’t think this issue should be discussed at SEEDIG’.
> Beyond these points, and as we have already underlined before, please
> note that we are talking about something in early test phase. We are
> taking in all your comments, and, based on them, we will consider how to
> move forward for next year, when it comes to the online evaluation of
> proposals. So, again, thank you all for sharing your opinions on this
> beta tool.
>
> Secondly, about SEEDIG as a process and about linkages between SEEDIG
> and EuroDIG: SEEDIG as a process is well explained on the website, we
> think. And there is already text available which underlines the linkages
> between SEEDIG and EuroDIG: http://www.seedig.net/about/ . Beyond that,
> if there are concrete suggestions about what is missing/should be added,
> please let us know and we’d be happy to discuss this further.
>
> Furthermore, how to implement SEEDIG-EuroDIG linkages is subject to
> further discussion, both at the SEEDIG virtual planning meetings (later
> this week) and at the EuroDIG planning meeting (later this month). We
> are, again, taking note of all your comments and suggestions and
> encourage you to further engage in this discussion, either by
> participating in the afore-mentioned meetings or by writing on the
> mailing list.
>
> Again, I want to thank you for all your inputs about SEEDIG, it was very
> helpful! Further thoughts are also welcome.
>
>
> Regards,
> Dusan
>
> On 11.1.2016 14:58, Michael Oghia wrote:
> > Dear Narine, all:
> >
> > Those are all good points as well, thank you. I'd also add it's
> > important to consider how we can leverage the experience and perspective
> > we have in the SEE region, especially how it relates to different
> > variations in issues experienced by the larger European region
> > (censorship and restriction of free expression particularly come to
> mind).
> >
> > On another note, something I apologize for not reiterating before is
> > that the website is very well-designed and intuitive. Dusan, you and the
> > team did a great job at designing and programming it. Kudos!
> >
> > Best,
> > -Michael
> > __________________
> >
> > Michael J. Oghia
> > Istanbul, Turkey
> > 2015 ISOC IGF Ambassador
> > #TCKchat <http://www.bateconsult.com/category/tck-chat/> co-host, 1st
> > session
> > Skype: mikeoghia
> > Twitter <https://www.twitter.com/MikeOghia> *|* LinkedIn
> > <https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikeoghia>
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Narine Khachatryan
> > <ms.narine.khachatryan at gmail.com
> > <mailto:ms.narine.khachatryan at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Dear all,
> >
> >
> > I join my voice to Sandra, congratulations with the SEEDIG new web
> > site, marking the beginning of this year! Thank you, Dusan, and all
> > who worked on it. Its navigation, usability, and features are very
> good.
> >
> >
> > An observation and suggestion regarding the linkage of SEEDIG, as an
> > independent initiative, and EuroDIG, as a panEuropean initiative.
> >
> >
> > Participants of SEEDIG and this list, have mentioned repeatedly that
> > processes in SEE in contrast to Central and Western Europe, related
> > to governance and participation, awareness and democratic
> > engagement, transparency and accountability are either not the same
> > or perceived in multiple-valued ways.
> >
> >
> > When aligning those processes (up to incorporating the results of
> > SEEDIG into EuroDIG and the global IGF) we need to ensure, that we
> > are not losing important voices of parts of the public who are
> > unable to deliver their voices effectively. Due to a variety of
> > reasons, including the lack of democratic institutions, lack of
> > resources, due to polysemantic perceptions of multistakeholderism
> > and bottom-up and top-down processes, etc.
> >
> >
> > In the process of setting up the good practices we need to be sure
> > that we are not throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
> >
> >
> > Wishing you all a peaceful, safe and happy New Year!
> >
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> >
> > Narine
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 2:20 PM, Michael Oghia <mike.oghia at gmail.com
> > <mailto:mike.oghia at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > I agree with Sandra's points. I also found the inclusion of a
> > dislike option discouraging and unnecessary.
> >
> > -Michael
> > __________________
> >
> > Michael J. Oghia
> > Istanbul, Turkey
> > 2015 ISOC IGF Ambassador
> > #TCKchat
> > <http://www.bateconsult.com/category/tck-chat/> co-host, 1st
> session
> > Skype: mikeoghia
> > Twitter <https://www.twitter.com/MikeOghia> *|* LinkedIn
> > <https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikeoghia>
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 12:17 PM, <sandra at eurodig.org
> > <mailto:sandra at eurodig.org>> wrote:
> >
> > Dear all, first of all let me wish you a happy and peaceful
> > new year, I guess it is not too late to do so.
> >
> > Congratulations for this website, it is really enjoyable to
> > see how SEEDIG is evolving, I am sure these efforts will
> > lead to a successful 2nd edition in Belgrade.
> >
> > I have two comments:
> >
> > 1. I would like to share some thoughts we had when we
> > introduced the online evaluation system back in 2014. The
> > first tool was programmed by young Dutch people and it was
> > agreed that we invite the community to express support for a
> > proposal, but do not introduce a dislike option. We found it
> > might be discouraging for the submitter and can lead to
> > tensions, even if you not include the name of the submitter.
> > We also learned in the process that the word "voting", leads
> > the community to take the results too literally when
> > interpreting the results. This means they expected that the
> > one with the highest rank becomes the most prominent session
> > and so on. We tried to make it always clear that the online
> > review is "only" an additional tool to gain feedback from
> > the community besides the planning meeting, but still it is
> > misunderstood by some and we keep on explain it ...
> > something to consider for the test phase.
> >
> > 2. I would like to encourage you to highlight a bit more
> > SEEDIG as an independent initiative being part of a global
> > process. The linkage between SEEDIG and EuroDIG was very
> > well received during the IGF in Joao Pessoa and I would like
> > to build upon that. By underlining for instance the
> > alignment of the processes, the joint call for proposals and
> > the way results of SEEDIG should feed into EuroDIG (and
> > thereafter into the IGF) we could set some good practises
> > for other regions and I am confident that this will
> > strengthen the global IG process.
> >
> > During the planning meeting on 26. January in Brussels we
> > should come up with some concrete ideas on how to include
> > SEEDIG results in EuroDIG meaningful and then deliver the
> > message to the global IGF. Looking forward to your input
> here!
> >
> > Best Sandra
> >
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: icann-see-bounces at rnids.rs
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> > [mailto:icann-see-bounces at rnids.rs
> > <mailto:icann-see-bounces at rnids.rs>] Im Auftrag von Dusan
> > Stojicevic
> > Gesendet: Samstag, 9. Januar 2016 16:25
> > An: icann-see at rnids.rs <mailto:icann-see at rnids.rs>
> > Betreff: [Icann-see] Web site seedig.net <http://seedig.net>
> >
> > Dear all,
> >
> > Let me introduce to you SEEDIG’s website - check
> > www.seedig.net <http://www.seedig.net>.
> > Still fresh and new and still in beta testing, but fully
> > operational.
> > If You have any comments or proposals, please do not
> > hesitate to give us
> > feedback.
> >
> > Also, all proposals submitted for the April SEEDIG meeting
> > can be found
> > here http://www.seedig.net/category/proposals/.
> > [16:22:40] Sorina Teleanu: You can like or dislike any of
> > them, but
> > please note that likes and dislikes are part of a testing
> > exercise for
> > next year’s event. Because of the short time-frame, online
> > evaluation is
> > not planned for this year, but this is something we will
> > improve for
> > next year.
> >
> > e-SEE you all on the virtual meeting
> >
> http://www.seedig.net/2016/01/08/two-virtual-planning-meetings-on-14-and-15-january/
> >
> > and please don’t forget to register in advance.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Dusan
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