[Icann-see] Web site seedig.net
Dusan Stojicevic
dusan at dukes.in.rs
Mon Jan 11 16:54:59 CET 2016
Dear all,
Thanks, all your kudos for the site should go to the whole executive
committee.
Also, thanks for all your suggestions and opinions.
I would like to answer to two of them, especially about dislikes.
Some facts:
During the "call for issues" we didn't ask anybody about going into
public with personal data (as they were submitted together with the
proposals). According to most of our laws on that subject, it would be
tricky to publish the names of authors for proposals without prior
consent (which we have not asked for). So, the executive committee made
the consensual decision that proposals are to be published without names.
On the other hand, when you have the proposal and the name of the
proponent together, you almost naturally check WHO is the author. Even
if you are not aware, you can ask yourself: do you like the proposal as
such, or you like the proposal because of the person who proposed it?
At SEEDIG, we discussed about this inside the executive committee, and,
considering also the data protection issues underlined above, we
considered that, at least in this phase of the planning process, we
should talk only about the proposals itself (disregarding the authors).
And here the dislike is coming naturally. Dislike (without using names,
only proposals) is rather common in our region. It can be considered as
part of our culture. And it's not natural for us, in real life, never to
say ‘I don't like this’, only ignore. Leaving aside any cultural
difference, to dislike something is not necessarily a bad or
discouraging thing, especially when you don’t have the name of the
proponent publicly displayed. And in this part of the world, when we
have to make decision, we often say: "say now what you think or don't
speak about that, ever". In our specific case, ‘dislike’ is mainly meant
to say that ‘I don’t think this issue should be discussed at SEEDIG’.
Beyond these points, and as we have already underlined before, please
note that we are talking about something in early test phase. We are
taking in all your comments, and, based on them, we will consider how to
move forward for next year, when it comes to the online evaluation of
proposals. So, again, thank you all for sharing your opinions on this
beta tool.
Secondly, about SEEDIG as a process and about linkages between SEEDIG
and EuroDIG: SEEDIG as a process is well explained on the website, we
think. And there is already text available which underlines the linkages
between SEEDIG and EuroDIG: http://www.seedig.net/about/ . Beyond that,
if there are concrete suggestions about what is missing/should be added,
please let us know and we’d be happy to discuss this further.
Furthermore, how to implement SEEDIG-EuroDIG linkages is subject to
further discussion, both at the SEEDIG virtual planning meetings (later
this week) and at the EuroDIG planning meeting (later this month). We
are, again, taking note of all your comments and suggestions and
encourage you to further engage in this discussion, either by
participating in the afore-mentioned meetings or by writing on the
mailing list.
Again, I want to thank you for all your inputs about SEEDIG, it was very
helpful! Further thoughts are also welcome.
Regards,
Dusan
On 11.1.2016 14:58, Michael Oghia wrote:
> Dear Narine, all:
>
> Those are all good points as well, thank you. I'd also add it's
> important to consider how we can leverage the experience and perspective
> we have in the SEE region, especially how it relates to different
> variations in issues experienced by the larger European region
> (censorship and restriction of free expression particularly come to mind).
>
> On another note, something I apologize for not reiterating before is
> that the website is very well-designed and intuitive. Dusan, you and the
> team did a great job at designing and programming it. Kudos!
>
> Best,
> -Michael
> __________________
>
> Michael J. Oghia
> Istanbul, Turkey
> 2015 ISOC IGF Ambassador
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> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Narine Khachatryan
> <ms.narine.khachatryan at gmail.com
> <mailto:ms.narine.khachatryan at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
>
> I join my voice to Sandra, congratulations with the SEEDIG new web
> site, marking the beginning of this year! Thank you, Dusan, and all
> who worked on it. Its navigation, usability, and features are very good.
>
>
> An observation and suggestion regarding the linkage of SEEDIG, as an
> independent initiative, and EuroDIG, as a panEuropean initiative.
>
>
> Participants of SEEDIG and this list, have mentioned repeatedly that
> processes in SEE in contrast to Central and Western Europe, related
> to governance and participation, awareness and democratic
> engagement, transparency and accountability are either not the same
> or perceived in multiple-valued ways.
>
>
> When aligning those processes (up to incorporating the results of
> SEEDIG into EuroDIG and the global IGF) we need to ensure, that we
> are not losing important voices of parts of the public who are
> unable to deliver their voices effectively. Due to a variety of
> reasons, including the lack of democratic institutions, lack of
> resources, due to polysemantic perceptions of multistakeholderism
> and bottom-up and top-down processes, etc.
>
>
> In the process of setting up the good practices we need to be sure
> that we are not throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
>
>
> Wishing you all a peaceful, safe and happy New Year!
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> Narine
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 2:20 PM, Michael Oghia <mike.oghia at gmail.com
> <mailto:mike.oghia at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I agree with Sandra's points. I also found the inclusion of a
> dislike option discouraging and unnecessary.
>
> -Michael
> __________________
>
> Michael J. Oghia
> Istanbul, Turkey
> 2015 ISOC IGF Ambassador
> #TCKchat
> <http://www.bateconsult.com/category/tck-chat/> co-host, 1st session
> Skype: mikeoghia
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>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 12:17 PM, <sandra at eurodig.org
> <mailto:sandra at eurodig.org>> wrote:
>
> Dear all, first of all let me wish you a happy and peaceful
> new year, I guess it is not too late to do so.
>
> Congratulations for this website, it is really enjoyable to
> see how SEEDIG is evolving, I am sure these efforts will
> lead to a successful 2nd edition in Belgrade.
>
> I have two comments:
>
> 1. I would like to share some thoughts we had when we
> introduced the online evaluation system back in 2014. The
> first tool was programmed by young Dutch people and it was
> agreed that we invite the community to express support for a
> proposal, but do not introduce a dislike option. We found it
> might be discouraging for the submitter and can lead to
> tensions, even if you not include the name of the submitter.
> We also learned in the process that the word "voting", leads
> the community to take the results too literally when
> interpreting the results. This means they expected that the
> one with the highest rank becomes the most prominent session
> and so on. We tried to make it always clear that the online
> review is "only" an additional tool to gain feedback from
> the community besides the planning meeting, but still it is
> misunderstood by some and we keep on explain it ...
> something to consider for the test phase.
>
> 2. I would like to encourage you to highlight a bit more
> SEEDIG as an independent initiative being part of a global
> process. The linkage between SEEDIG and EuroDIG was very
> well received during the IGF in Joao Pessoa and I would like
> to build upon that. By underlining for instance the
> alignment of the processes, the joint call for proposals and
> the way results of SEEDIG should feed into EuroDIG (and
> thereafter into the IGF) we could set some good practises
> for other regions and I am confident that this will
> strengthen the global IG process.
>
> During the planning meeting on 26. January in Brussels we
> should come up with some concrete ideas on how to include
> SEEDIG results in EuroDIG meaningful and then deliver the
> message to the global IGF. Looking forward to your input here!
>
> Best Sandra
>
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> <mailto:icann-see-bounces at rnids.rs>] Im Auftrag von Dusan
> Stojicevic
> Gesendet: Samstag, 9. Januar 2016 16:25
> An: icann-see at rnids.rs <mailto:icann-see at rnids.rs>
> Betreff: [Icann-see] Web site seedig.net <http://seedig.net>
>
> Dear all,
>
> Let me introduce to you SEEDIG’s website - check
> www.seedig.net <http://www.seedig.net>.
> Still fresh and new and still in beta testing, but fully
> operational.
> If You have any comments or proposals, please do not
> hesitate to give us
> feedback.
>
> Also, all proposals submitted for the April SEEDIG meeting
> can be found
> here http://www.seedig.net/category/proposals/.
> [16:22:40] Sorina Teleanu: You can like or dislike any of
> them, but
> please note that likes and dislikes are part of a testing
> exercise for
> next year’s event. Because of the short time-frame, online
> evaluation is
> not planned for this year, but this is something we will
> improve for
> next year.
>
> e-SEE you all on the virtual meeting
> http://www.seedig.net/2016/01/08/two-virtual-planning-meetings-on-14-and-15-january/
>
> and please don’t forget to register in advance.
>
> Cheers,
> Dusan
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